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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2010 12:16:29 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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Malachi 2:14 (King James Version)
14Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
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Greetings
You do know... that Mailicai had nothing to do with rest of the scriptures one offered...
Correct?
Matthew 19:4-6 (King James Version)
4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Hello LG,
I definitely see a connection and I truly believe that anyone with a sincere heart and open mind will as well.
The same God who spoke through the prophet Malachi of a covenant with His beloved became flesh and spoke to us of covenants with our spouses. These covenants do not end, they are for life, two "twain shall be one flesh." The "wife of your youth" is and, until death always will be, the wife of your covenant. She may deal treacherously against you but, if you are imitating God you will always be open to reconciliation upon true repentance. With Christ this is possible... and more.
He will not only forgive through us but He will love through us. Even those who are persecuting us. He hung on a cross and prayed for those who put Him there. Sometimes being faithful to a covenant spouse who is not faithful in return may be a cross one is given. We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings and says, "I will never take you back for I love another. I have made a covenant with another" Imagine if God did that to us? Do we not pray to be forgiven as we forgive others?
This is possible for a Christian, if we remain branches on the vine then His life-giving, forgiveness-giving, love-giving food will flow to us and through us. We will do His works. Including loving our spouse as He loves His.
Bryan
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Greetings
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We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings
and says, "I will never take you back for I love another. I have made a covenant with another" Imagine if God did that to us?
Do we not pray to be forgiven as we forgive others?
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and says, "I will never take you back for I love another. I have made a covenant with another" Imagine if God did that to us?
I cant imagine that, because God is in control and God never changes
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We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings
I for one find is useless to pray against wherever God has ordained by the laws He has put in motion, if any walls are created, then He created them
Job 11:10 If he cut off, and shut up, or gather together, then who can hinder him?
LG
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2010 1:05:46 PM
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We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings
and says, "I will never take you back for I love another. I have made a covenant with another" Imagine if God did that to us?
Do we not pray to be forgiven as we forgive others?
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and says, "I will never take you back for I love another. I have made a covenant with another" Imagine if God did that to us?
I cant imagine that, because God is in control and God never changes
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We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings
I for one find is useless to pray against wherever God has ordained by the laws He has put in motion, if any walls are created, then He created them
Job 11:10 If he cut off, and shut up, or gather together, then who can hinder him?
LG
Amen LG!
God already KNOWS everything that is going to happen.
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Do we not pray to be forgiven as we forgive others?
Yes Bryan we are. But where does it say that you have to DO something to RECEIVE forgiveness?
No where.
Jesus says for us to forgive NO MATTER WHAT other people do to us.
And forgiveness does not necessarily mean that door is open to reconciliation. We must pray and ask GOD what HE wants for our lives.
Reconciliation with God is SPIRITUAL.
You are talking about reconciliation of the flesh. That is a totally different thing.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2010 10:05:07 PM
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He will not only forgive through us but He will love through us. Even those who are persecuting us. He hung on a cross and prayed for those who put Him there. Sometimes being faithful to a covenant spouse who is not faithful in return may be a cross one is given. We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings and says, "I will never take you back for I love another. I have made a covenant with another" Imagine if God did that to us?
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I cant imagine that, because God is in control and God never changes
Hello LG,
Yet the doctrine you teach tells men and women that they can be a Christian yet not desire to imitate Christ and honor your covenant.
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We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings
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I for one find is useless to pray against wherever God has ordained by the laws He has put in motion, if any walls are created, then He created them
I believer, rather, that if we choose to not forgive someone, or to "forgive" them with a "forgiveness" that is un-Christlike and is not open to reconciliation, that is our choice. God did not create the wall, rather the devil, the father of all lies, the lion searching to devour the soul, preyed upon our weeknesses, our pride and our selfishness. We created the wall and we create the wall that keeps us on the wide path. It keeps us from seeing the narrow path. Christ can tear down that wall, we just have to let Him.
Bryan
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2010 10:16:00 PM
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He will not only forgive through us but He will love through us. Even those who are persecuting us. He hung on a cross and prayed for those who put Him there. Sometimes being faithful to a covenant spouse who is not faithful in return may be a cross one is given. We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings and says, "I will never take you back for I love another. I have made a covenant with another" Imagine if God did that to us?
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I cant imagine that, because God is in control and God never changes
Hello LG,
Yet the doctrine you teach tells men and women that they can be a Christian yet not desire to imitate Christ and honor your covenant.
Please tell me how your view is showing the love of Christ?
You are telling people they have to divorce, Bryan. Divorce is not from God.
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We can create a god who will allow us to build a wall that keeps out reconciliation and records the wrongdoings
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I for one find is useless to pray against wherever God has ordained by the laws He has put in motion, if any walls are created, then He created them
I believer, rather, that if we choose to not forgive someone, or to "forgive" them with a "forgiveness" that is un-Christlike and is not open to reconciliation, that is our choice. God did not create the wall, rather the devil, the father of all lies, the lion searching to devour the soul, preyed upon our weaknesses, our pride and our selfishness. We created the wall and we create the wall that keeps us on the wide path. It keeps us from seeing the narrow path. Christ can tear down that wall, we just have to let Him.
Bryan
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How is going back to them after you have been married again showing forgiveness?
You can forgive without that. Jesus did it. Why can't we?
Divorce is NOT a sign of repentance or forgiveness.
That is the lie, Bryan. Telling people they HAVE TO divorce to get forgiveness.
That is not from God.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2010 10:32:11 PM
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Do we not pray to be forgiven as we forgive others?
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Yes Bryan we are. But where does it say that you have to DO something to RECEIVE forgiveness?
No where.
gmcspice, hope you are well.
This is a powerful lie that we need to fight against. The devil would certainly like us to believe that there is nothing more to being forgiven than asking. Certainly asking (which is doing something) is necessary as is receiving (which also is doing something).
1) We must forgive others or we will not be forgiven...
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." (Matthew 6:14,15)
2) We must confess our sins so that we can be forgiven
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)
3) We must repent of our sins so that we can be forgiven
"Therefore this is what the Lord says, 'If you repent, I will restore you that you may serve me.'" (Jeremiah 15:19a)
What are the two things here that Peter mentions are necessary for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit?
Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Of course the repentance presupposes the recognition of that which we come to desire to repent of.
gmcspice, this message has been preached since the beginning of Christianity. However, it has become so very watered down. It is as though we are reversing the miracle of Cana and turning the wine of the Gospel into the water of sentimentalism.
We are trying to have Christ without the cross. We claim to believe in a Christ who carried the heaviest of crosses. Yet when we are presented with a situation and the prospect of living 20, 40 or 70 years of our life without an earthly spouse who loves us we quickly create a God who would never expect us to carry such a cross. The awesome thing is, however, that He doesn't expect us to carry it.... alone anyway. He can use this as a way to prepare our heart for the eternal love of the eternal Spouse.
Bryan
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2010 7:47:25 AM
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Hello LG,
Yet the doctrine you teach tells men and women that they can be a Christian yet not desire to imitate Christ and honor your covenant.
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Please tell me how your view is showing the love of Christ?
You are telling people they have to divorce, Bryan. Divorce is not from God.
Good morning gmcspice,
The love of Christ never compromises Truth. It is the love of a person's eternal happiness.
It is recognizing the truth that was taught by Christ and has been taught for nearly 2000 years that to put away the spouse of your youth, of your covenant, and to marry another is adultery. It is the recognition that adultery is committed by adulterers and adulterers will not inherit eternal life. It is the love a soul's eternal joy, even if it means a cross on this earth.
Without this Truth, charity slides into sentimentalism.
We will create a God who accepts homosexual marriage and would hate a divorce from it.
If the homosexual marriage is blessed by God, if it is a true marriage... then God would indeed hate the separation of the two, He would hate the divorce... He would hate the claiming that the one flesh covenant marriage was no longer in existence.
Of course God does not bless the homosexual marriage, He calls that relationship what it is... sin. Therefore, repentance would include ending the sin, ending the relationship. I do not much care about a civil divorce to end it. The relationship, the sexual, and desire to be sexual, relationship must end.
Must they cease living together? I don't know. Is it leading other persons into a similar lifestyle but one that is sexual? Is there a real spouse out there who is remaining faithful to his/her vows and open to reconciliation upon true repentance, ready to forgive as God forgives? Are there children involved? These are all things we will consider as we allow Christ to live in us and seek His will for our lives.
Bryan
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2010 8:19:15 AM
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1) We must forgive others or we will not be forgiven...
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." (Matthew 6:14,15)
Jesus does not say that the person who has sinned against us has to repent to us for us to forgive them. It does not say we must divorce to SHOW repentance either.
You agree that divorce is sin in most cases, correct?
Then you must understand that God would NOT tell us to sin to cover a sin.
Why don't you get that?
SIN is not from God!
He would never tell a person to SIN to cover a sin.
Why do you NOT accept the entire word of God?
You can't build a doctrine on one or two verses.
You still must obey God's law.
If you have been married again, you cannot go back to your former spouse. The Bible says this.
That is why Jesus tells us that some cannot accept being married. Because it is very complicated. and once you have divorced, you cannot go back. You can forgive but you can't go back.
And divorce is NOT a means to repentance.
Not to mention if a person has divorced for fornication they can get married again because they have not sinned. Jesus said this. Why do you not accept the whole truth of the Bible?
You cherry pick and try to keep people in bondage. That is not of Christ.
He clearly told the woman caught in adultery to "GO and SIN no more" that means adultery is NOT continuous like you think.
That is what repentance truly is is.
It is a very good example. Yet you ignore it.
And tell people they must divorce to be forgiven of being married again.
Again, for the millionth time, God would not tell someone to sin. God is not the author of sin.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2010 8:24:15 AM
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Hello LG,
Yet the doctrine you teach tells men and women that they can be a Christian yet not desire to imitate Christ and honor your covenant.
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Please tell me how your view is showing the love of Christ?
You are telling people they have to divorce, Bryan. Divorce is not from God.
Good morning gmcspice,
The love of Christ never compromises Truth. It is the love of a person's eternal happiness.
It is recognizing the truth that was taught by Christ and has been taught for nearly 2000 years that to put away the spouse of your youth, of your covenant, and to marry another is adultery. It is the recognition that adultery is committed by adulterers and adulterers will not inherit eternal life. It is the love a soul's eternal joy, even if it means a cross on this earth.
Without this Truth, charity slides into sentimentalism.
We will create a God who accepts homosexual marriage and would hate a divorce from it.
Homosexuality is NOT the same as two people of the opposite sex being married. Please stop trying to use this as an example. Homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes. If it is committed, one must ask for forgiveness and not do it again.
Marriage of the opposite sex is not.
Returning back to your former spouse is also an abomination. There can ony be forgiveness in this sense. There is no way to repent of it except staying with current spouse and not divorcing again or committing adultery again.
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If the homosexual marriage is blessed by God, if it is a true marriage... then God would indeed hate the separation of the two, He would hate the divorce... He would hate the claiming that the one flesh covenant marriage was no longer in existence.
Of course God does not bless the homosexual marriage, He calls that relationship what it is... sin. Therefore, repentance would include ending the sin, ending the relationship. I do not much care about a civil divorce to end it. The relationship, the sexual, and desire to be sexual, relationship must end.
Again homosexuality is totally against God and the nature in which God created male and female.
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Must they cease living together? I don't know. Is it leading other persons into a similar lifestyle but one that is sexual? Is there a real spouse out there who is remaining faithful to his/her vows and open to reconciliation upon true repentance, ready to forgive as God forgives? Are there children involved? These are all things we will consider as we allow Christ to live in us and seek His will for our lives.
Bryan
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True repentance does not mean divorcing a current spouse to return to a former spouse. You cannot use a sin to cover a sin. God is not the author of sin therefore that command does not come from him. It is man made and has never been upheld by the Church.
If there is no intervening marriage, YES, reconciliation is very possible. Once there is a new marriage, there can be no reconciliation. Only forgiveness.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2010 10:19:36 AM
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Hello LG,
Yet the doctrine you teach tells men and women that they can be a Christian yet not desire to imitate Christ and honor your covenant.
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Please tell me how your view is showing the love of Christ?
You are telling people they have to divorce, Bryan. Divorce is not from God.
Good morning gmcspice,
The love of Christ never compromises Truth. It is the love of a person's eternal happiness.
It is recognizing the truth that was taught by Christ
Bryan
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Christ did not "teach " truth, He is truth
He is not one of the prophets 
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The love of Christ never compromises Truth.
If one believes that......Then this is what the Bibles says
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth , and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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Hello LG,
Yet the doctrine you teach tells men and women that they can be a Christian yet not desire to imitate Christ and honor your covenant.
The doctrine I offer for some to hear... is Biblical.... therefore fulfilling that command that honors the covenant
Jhn 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
LG
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2010 10:33:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: RYNODOG
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Hello LG,
Yet the doctrine you teach tells men and women that they can be a Christian yet not desire to imitate Christ and honor your covenant.
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Please tell me how your view is showing the love of Christ?
You are telling people they have to divorce, Bryan. Divorce is not from God.
Good morning gmcspice,
The love of Christ never compromises Truth. It is the love of a person's eternal happiness.
It is recognizing the truth that was taught by Christ and has been taught for nearly 2000 years that to put away the spouse of your youth, of your covenant, and to marry another is adultery. It is the recognition that adultery is committed by adulterers and adulterers will not inherit eternal life. It is the love a soul's eternal joy, even if it means a cross on this earth.
Without this Truth, charity slides into sentimentalism.
We will create a God who accepts homosexual marriage and would hate a divorce from it.
Homosexuality is NOT the same as two people of the opposite sex being married. Please stop trying to use this as an example. Homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes. If it is committed, one must ask for forgiveness and not do it again.
Marriage of the opposite sex is not.
Returning back to your former spouse is also an abomination. There can ony be forgiveness in this sense. There is no way to repent of it except staying with current spouse and not divorcing again or committing adultery again.
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If the homosexual marriage is blessed by God, if it is a true marriage... then God would indeed hate the separation of the two, He would hate the divorce... He would hate the claiming that the one flesh covenant marriage was no longer in existence.
Of course God does not bless the homosexual marriage, He calls that relationship what it is... sin. Therefore, repentance would include ending the sin, ending the relationship. I do not much care about a civil divorce to end it. The relationship, the sexual, and desire to be sexual, relationship must end.
Again homosexuality is totally against God and the nature in which God created male and female.
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Must they cease living together? I don't know. Is it leading other persons into a similar lifestyle but one that is sexual? Is there a real spouse out there who is remaining faithful to his/her vows and open to reconciliation upon true repentance, ready to forgive as God forgives? Are there children involved? These are all things we will consider as we allow Christ to live in us and seek His will for our lives.
Bryan
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True repentance does not mean divorcing a current spouse to return to a former spouse. You cannot use a sin to cover a sin. God is not the author of sin therefore that command does not come from him. It is man made and has never been upheld by the Church.
If there is no intervening marriage, YES, reconciliation is very possible. Once there is a new marriage, there can be no reconciliation. Only forgiveness.
Greetings
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Homosexuality is NOT the same as two people of the opposite sex being married. Please stop trying to use this as an example.
Thats by reason They have absolutely nothing concerning Christian doctrine to offer GM
LG
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2010 11:58:18 AM
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