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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/23/2010 1:48:14 PM
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GregandJenny
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What are the chances that my kids would get the same two weeks off of school as their cousins in Minnesota?
This to me is the biggest problem with year around schooling. I live in an area that has 7 school districts within a 30 minute area, and they never have the same schedule. It would just be crazy. Something else to consider is that many teachers go to school in that time. If they have to teach and be in an intense 11 week program will that really benefit the kids.
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/23/2010 2:07:29 PM
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I know of personally at least 10 teachers taking some sort of continuing education this summer. One of which is spending her summer in an intensive program on reading and writing poetry for teachers of elementary and middle school teachers. It's a 3 week course that is run like writers/artist colony where she is living there full time. And this is NOT being funded by our district. In fact all of our teachers are paying for their "mandatory" continuing education out of their own pockets or via grants that they wrote themselves.
If school went year round teachers would have to be taking these course at night - thus cutting into their family time!
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/23/2010 10:52:31 PM
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I know of personally at least 10 teachers taking some sort of continuing education this summer.
a couple of our teachers go away for the ENTIRE summer...on "mission trips" to china and other places to teach, to indian reservations here in the states, and other locations....
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/25/2010 9:18:38 PM
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Until schools and teachers are allowed to fail kids and hold them back if they are not comprehending the material - adding more days to the schedule won't do much. Until parents are supportive from home and make school a priority - it really won't matter if there are more days in the year. Until discipline becomes a priority and the kids get it that the rules are the rules - no extra number of days in the classroom will make a difference. Until getting an education is viewed as a privilege and not a right, more days tacked on to the school year isn't going to change much.
Exactly--very well said!
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/25/2010 9:22:08 PM
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As far as other countries, esp Asian countries go...their whole system is vastly different from ours. They "track" students from a young age, and the only ones who even attend what we would consider to be a high school are the ones who tracked high academically. So when you see those statistics about children in those countries, they are not measuring ALL kids, just the high academic trackers. The rest are tracked more vocationally and are not included. THAT is why those statistics look so impressive. It would be like us only measuring the kids who get honors diplomas in our high schools. These are the kinds of things that people who are anti-public education either do not know or do not tell us.
We used to have more of a tracking system, especially during the first half of the 20th century. Those who were "college bound" would study higher academic courses, and those who would most likely end up doing more trade oriented work would go to a trade school environment. However, when we got into the "all kids should go to college, all kids should have the same classes so we can all be exactly the same," things started to break down. People seem to forget that children are not robots. They have differing abilities, aptitudes, family environment, etc. No Child Left Behind is a nice goal.....but expecting all students to perform at the same level isn't realistic
Please shout it from the rooftops--everyone needs to know this!
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/26/2010 9:07:12 AM
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/27/2010 1:11:35 PM
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From what I'm understanding it's not necessarily adding more days to the schedule, just reducing the number of weeks off during the summer and taking more breaks in between quarters and such.
But I see Judi's point too - With kids going to school all year round in some areas the cost to cool the school during the summer months would be really high! Our school turns off the air conditioning to almost the entire building during the summer. The office is the only area that is air conditioned during the summer months and only when the office staff is around.
Around here, the summer is also when the transportation department does all the maintenance on the school's fleet of buses! As a parent that depends on bus transportation for my children - getting the buses serviced is very important to me! Our school has over 50 buses and the transportation department needs the entire summer to make sure all the buses are in good working order for the next year!
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And schools generally have the same schedule within the school district and most private schools tend to go with the local districts.
Doesn't help much when family is spread out like many are nowdays! Like I mentioned earlier - I have family in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Texas, and on both the East and West Coasts. - It is hard enough to plan family get-togethers - with year round scheduling it would be pretty much impossible.
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/27/2010 1:22:16 PM
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Well, I can see that there is no agreement on this. Which makes me wonder what will happen if/when it finally does occur.
In my area, as I mentioned, the debate by BOE is not whether or not school will run all year...they have issued statements that it will eventually, but how the usual 8 week vacation will be spread out. Right now, the general census is that it will be spread over the year in 2-wk increments.
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/27/2010 4:31:30 PM
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You know, I am a teacher, and when I have a work day where there is no school, I have to come up with my own child care (not anymore, but when they were younger). But this is the kind of question that will make yer round school so expensive. Parents will expect the school to foot the bill for child care. This sort of bothers me from the stand point that the primary function of education should be education...not babysitting at others' convenience. I don't mean that mean. But we have parents who drop their kids off the moment the school opens (or before) so they can get breakfast, then they wait until the last possible moment to pick them up from after school care. Then they push for some kind of program all day every day during the summer. And this is not because they are necessarily working all that time. They just want somewhere for their kids to go every moment possible. That is not why our country provides public education.
I have no problem with school systems rearranging the extended summer break to be more like a quarter system....I think I would like it. But it really isn't the school's job to provide day care in between. Some things just come with parenting....and that includes taking care of your kids when they aren't in school. People have done it for decades. Only recently have we decided that it is the school's job to keep our kids busy from dawn till dusk every day of the year.
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/27/2010 8:40:41 PM
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You know, I am a teacher, and when I have a work day where there is no school, I have to come up with my own child care (not anymore, but when they were younger). But this is the kind of question that will make yer round school so expensive. Parents will expect the school to foot the bill for child care. This sort of bothers me from the stand point that the primary function of education should be education...not babysitting at others' convenience. I don't mean that mean. But we have parents who drop their kids off the moment the school opens (or before) so they can get breakfast, then they wait until the last possible moment to pick them up from after school care. Then they push for some kind of program all day every day during the summer. And this is not because they are necessarily working all that time. They just want somewhere for their kids to go every moment possible. That is not why our country provides public education.
I have no problem with school systems rearranging the extended summer break to be more like a quarter system....I think I would like it. But it really isn't the school's job to provide day care in between. Some things just come with parenting....and that includes taking care of your kids when they aren't in school. People have done it for decades. Only recently have we decided that it is the school's job to keep our kids busy from dawn till dusk every day of the year.
Your are right...believe it or not, there are some parents that want their kids away from (esp if the kids are hard to control to start with) them as much as possible! That is a hard fact for a lot of people to understand. My wife takes our girl to VBS EVERY week of the summer just for that reason. It's not that she does not love our girl...it's just our girl believes her mother should hold her from the time my wife walks in until bedtime. She will not tolerate her mother attempting to do anything unless it volves to two of them. My wife just goes so frustrated by this attitude, so I suggested back in May that we just take her to a Bible School every week, and we have. It gives my wife usually 2.5 hrs away from:
"Momma...come here..."
"Momma I need you..."
"Momma I am talking to you...ignore Daddy" (yep, she says that!)
You get the picture. We don't have that problem w/our son. He has Down's and cannot talk...more or less. And he is a Daddy's boy anyway.
And if school goes all year, parents will want the goverment to provide daycare for them.
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RE: School All Year Round! - 6/28/2010 9:43:05 PM
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Oh, I understand. When ours were little they enjoyed a variety of VBS experiences each summer, plus a few days with each set of grandparents. My DS was my appendage for a looooooong time. (He still sits in my lap every once in a blue moon, but he'd kill me for telling somebody that)
You and your wife are obviously involved in the lives of your kids. I'm talking about some of our parents who really don't want to have to be bothered. It's a small number, but it breaks my heart. You know, those kids are often times the stinkers. But I can't know what they go through outside of school and NOT love on them, ya know?
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RE: School All Year Round! - 7/20/2010 11:55:29 AM
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Something I was thinking about the other day is I wonder how this would affect those kids that have to go to their other parents for the summer.
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RE: School All Year Round! - 7/20/2010 12:43:22 PM
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oh i agree there r ways, but i was just thinking of those who go across states or even districts if the time off is not the same.
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RE: School All Year Round! - 7/28/2010 9:21:56 PM
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As a public school student, I'm against year-round schooling. I learn very little as it is, why would I want to do it all year round?
The reason the US is so behind other countries is not because of how little time school is in session (let's see, nine months a year, five days a week, and approximately seven hours a day; add three more months and you almost have the average work schedule) but because of what is taught. For the past five years, my schools have had virtually the same books on the summer reading lists. Apparently "reluctant" is a ninth-grade-level word. Biology can only be taken as an AP course. The only kids who have decent teachers are usually the honors classes, with few exceptions. Even then, the classes are slow. Most teachers are not dedicated, are ineffectual, and do not care. No one bothers to check up on them; when they are reported for poor performance, the students who did so are criticized. In the past year, I can count on my fingers how many times I have had to study. If there is going to be a year-round school, the only thing that is going to get done is kids learning the minimal for the entire year, and, frankly, school is a burn-out. Even with the mediocre classes, after a seven-hour day, I'm dead tired. Now, homework is not a problem for me, but imagine how that is for the kids who have to spend two or three hours on it, plus studying or tutoring.
Not only that, but what about kids being kids? Or learning from experience? Education is not the same or even remotely equivalent to experience. You can get intelligence from school; you can't get wisdom. Children deserve a childhood and need to learn from experience. School is not going to help them here. And what about family? Where is time for family or friends found? From what I've seen, children who spend more time in school or studying lack social skills. Again, from experience, lacking social skills is not fun and is rather uncomfortable and scarring.
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