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Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2010 12:46:51 PM
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pink..
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Hi Elyon,
I'm not sure how I think about her not paying back the loans.
However, as far as living off the government............. I don't think that is what she is doing. People have disabilities where they can't work and people have disabilities where it is best that they do work. I think that it may be more of a situation where she doesn't feel productive with her life. If that's the case, could she volunteer a couple of hours a week? It doesn't have to be volunteering with an organization or a church. Does she have an elderly or disabled neighbor who needs someone to help with housework or running errands? I have a neighbor behind me who needs her dog walked once in a while. Even though I have my own puppy now, I do that for her. She only needs someone when the weather is really hot or really cold. It gets me out of the house and makes me feel productive and I get a slice of her homemade cake, breads, brownies, cookies, etc. and before or after the walk I sit with her for awhile and enjoy hearing stories of her youth.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2010 9:12:54 PM
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elyon, you could be talking about my own daughter except she is a few years younger. It is heart breaking. I try to tell her that perhaps things will change for her in time. She did finish college, just barely because she could not attend classes the last semester but her work was so good that she still ended with good grades. She can't work outside of the home and had to file for social security. She does not like it either but it is the only way she can achieve some sort of independence, get out from under the student loans, and have her meds paid for. Your friend is lucky to have you. Just keep impressing on her how much she means to you and to others around her and how much she contributes to those around her.
my daughter's favorite verse is: " And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me."
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/18/2010 6:29:01 PM
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theprincessbuttercup
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I feel for your friend, and I applaud you for being so supportive. It is sad that mental illness is often viewed so differently than visible illness. If she were quadriplegic or an amputee or blind with MS....it probably wouldn't even be an issue. I like the idea of volunteering or finding some craft or product that she could make on her own terms.
There is a big difference between playing the system and having a disability. It sounds like this girl wants to work, wants to go to school, but her illness is just not cooperating. I would continue to encourage and pray for her.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2010 12:08:34 AM
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I just want to chime in a little bit here.
The bible uses the word 'mad' to describe people not in there right mind. I really should do a study of that.
Some mental issues can be from sin, others are from imbalances, other, from injuries. I have seen people become 'normal' when they are on the right meds. I do believe Jesus can heal anyone, but it's God's will.
So, my short story is, I was in a BAD car wreck, and had a closed head injury, and did I become weird! I could not even balance a check book, or even walk straight, for 2 full years. And, I would do 'unusual' things, that normal people wouldn't do.
I'd look back and think 'I did that ??". Dizzy, and instant memory loss. Like where was I for the last 3 hours? Absolutely no clue.
It would go 'blank', and then I would be in Walmart. Hmmm, what am I doing here? How did I get here? I couldn't drive, either.
And other times, I would get very dizzy. Whoa, I'm floating! Really floating, (REALLY FLOATING, like being on Demerol pain killer, but no Demerol).
So, I try to be very patient with anyone who is bi-polar, and other mental issues.
I want to reach out to people going through these things,
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/7/2010 8:57:04 PM
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theprincessbuttercup
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I had a friend in high school who was in bad wreck our senior year. He recovered, but his personality was somewhat altered. Actually, I think there are similarities between that and mental illnesses, esp bipolar disorder. Because the chemistry of the brain actually changes when manic or depressed.
I think the big difference is, a person who has an accident cannot control what happened to their brain. A person who has bipolar (like me), knows that treatment would help, and yet refuses to treat.....to me, that person shouldn't be cut any real slack for their actions. It's like driving drunk. If you get in the car drunk, then you are responsible for whatever happens when you are driving.
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Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/8/2010 9:11:10 AM
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pink..
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I think the big difference is, a person who has an accident cannot control what happened to their brain. A person who has bipolar (like me), knows that treatment would help, and yet refuses to treat.....to me, that person shouldn't be cut any real slack for their actions. It's like driving drunk. If you get in the car drunk, then you are responsible for whatever happens when you are driving.
There are people who are getting treatment and the medication is wrong for them. Once the meds start messing with the brain, they have no control over what's going on inside of their heads either. They often don't know that there is a problem. Do you think they should be cut some slack?
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/8/2010 4:09:41 PM
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theprincessbuttercup
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Definitely, pink. people don't understand sometimes that taking a med for MI is not like taking ibuprofen for a headache. We're talking about the brain here, and meds react differently with everyone. Sometimes meds that work for years stop working. I'm thinking more about a person who knows they have a serious illness and just don't WANT to do anything about it. If I am taking my meds and following treatment, and something wacky happens and I do something terrible, I am still accountable, but the state of my health is a mitigating circumstance. If, however, I did something terrible because I knew that something would make me psychotic and I just didn't care.....that's different. personally, I don't like that fact that it is harder to be creative, that I have gained weight, that my thyroid is weirded out, etc. But because I have two children and a DH who need me....I'll keep treating my bipolar because there's more than just me to consider. But I also know all too well that even with treatment I may still have an episode. But at least I am doing everything in my power to take care of myself.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/29/2010 6:50:30 PM
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I can relate to some of this stuff. I've been on disability for bipolar & schizo-affective disorder for a long time now. I've attended a local day treatment program where I learned how to cope better with my illness. Right now, I'm not able to attend there due to having to help my relative, but I may go back, even though I know just about everything there is to know about mental illness.
I feel bad about not being able to work, but when I tried to go back to work a few years ago, my paranoia & anxiety returned, forcing me to quit my job. I take lots of medication, but still have some mood swing problems, so working right now is not an option. Add to that the sedating effects of the heavy amounts of medication I take and my inability to drive at times because of some of them.
I do keep busy posting here and doing housework. I feel bad that I cannot contribute to society in the way that I want to, but I just need to not isolate myself and get out into the community more. This is especially true, now that I've moved to a smaller, safer community.
The point I'm trying to make is what someone else already stated: God has His reasons why He allows things to happen to us. When the time comes, He will reveal them to us, either in this age or in the age to come. Just pray, trust in Him and stay in His Word daily, while you wait for His answers.
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